Christian Ludke is one of the most famous German criminal psychologists. In an interview with FOCUS online, he talked about the unbelievable stunts some of his patients have fallen victim to. He also explains why people become murderers.
Trigger Warning: Some interview passages may trigger fear, disgust, or discomfort in sensitive readers.
Internet Spotlight: Mr. Lüdke, what do you do to survive?
Christian Ludke: I am a psychotherapist and I work in psychiatric emergency care. This means that I help people come to terms with these experiences after very stressful situations, such as a riot, a robbery, or a murder.
I would also like to compare my work with that of a craftsman or a tour guide. I am interested in what a person has to change to be happy again and what has to happen to find a way out of the gap. I repair damaged souls.
Does this also include criminal souls?
Lodki: No. Sure, most criminals have broken souls, but I don’t treat them. I am 100% on the side of the victim. However, I have been concerned with the psychology of offender behavior for many years, for preventive reasons. Tell people how they recognize bad people in everyday life and how they can protect themselves from them.
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So you do this to the victims.
Lodki: exactly. However, understanding is but a consolation prize in life.
Did you get any concrete information?
Lodki: Yes. For example, this question can be used to find out if a person will become a perpetrator at some point in their life. He says: Do you feel loved? People who lack this experience are more at risk of going down the wrong path. They develop a kind of internal script very early: if I’m not loved, I just want to be hated.
It seems that any of us can become “bad”.
Lodki: Basically, every human being has something sinister about them. Some of this is just in our genes. However, not all of us get angry. And we weren’t born bad either, not as killers, but created to be. It is a long process related to turbulent relationships.
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What are those dysfunctional relationships like?
Lodki: Often this begins in the original family. When a person is repeatedly insulted and hurt. In psychology we also talk about internal saboteurs. These are deep, unmet needs. For example, want loveor power or control. When our needs are not met, a dysfunctional relationship develops. In some cases, this leads to people going off the rails or becoming perpetrators.
Like Jeffrey Dahmer? There is even a separate story about the serial killer. Netflix-Serie.
Lodki: This is the case for many criminals. But what bothers me is that the media talks more about the perpetrators than the victims. Viewers are presented as “victors”, fascinated by the atrocities they committed. If the victims were the center of attention, most people would probably be very anxious.
Does your anger stem from the experience of these heinous acts?
Lodki: They can. I was in the special police unit for years. You are dealing with things far beyond what ordinary people can imagine. How people are tortured and tortured. How clever some of the perpetrators are in what they do to the victims before they kill them.
For example, I remember a woman raped by seven priests in a church. The priests had known each other since school days and met once or twice a year. They went to the pedestrian zone and took a random woman, dragged her to the church and played games of dice. Whoever lost in these games had to rape the woman.
This looks terrible.
Lodki: Yes. that was terrible too police He couldn’t believe that the woman and her family had turned their backs on him. She was taken to a psychiatric hospital and declared insane. Until the doctor who introduced me treated the woman. Send it to me. This eventually led to the arrest of three of the men.
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Christian Ludke is a licensed trauma expert and child and adolescent psychotherapist. He has been treating crime victims for many years, including after terrorist attacks, riots or hostage taking. Lüdke is also a member of the German-speaking Society for Traumatology.
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If this atrocity then again on tv Show, this is probably bad for the victims. There has been much criticism of Dahmer.
Lodki: This is clearly a major confrontation for the families of the victims. And with it the shock again. It’s like playing that job over and over again. Constant repetition makes the situation worse.
Do you have an example of bringing back trauma from your daily job?
Lodki: I had a few, but one case from Koblenz was particularly harsh. At that time he raped a seven or eight year old girl. The toilets at the elementary school I went to were not in the building but outside. The criminal slipped behind the girl, locked himself in with her, inserted a vibrator and masturbated.
I was surprised that the girl later had to appear at the court hearing. When I was called as an expert, the judge asked me: Mr. Lüdke, does it have any effect if I insert a vibrator into a young girl?
I couldn’t even answer. How can you ask such a question? For lawyers, this is a file, a process, a thing. But I think to myself, I look at the victims. You always get life in prison. Shock is stored in the nervous system. The situation is enough, a brief investigation, and for those affected it is as if they were living it all over again.
Do you really think that the perpetrators are aware of what they are doing there?
Lodki: Bad offenders have a very different feeling about making a mistake than “normal people.” They know deep down that what they did was wrong. But there are different types of perpetrators. For example, when mothers kill their children, some take action to make up for what happened.
For example, I think of the Solingen case two years ago. At that time the mother of five of his six children was murdered. One let live. It was a form of emotional salvation. Then she can say to herself, “I know what I did was wrong. But I let a child live, I’m not a bad person.”
Are there also perpetrators who have absolutely no remorse?
Lodki: Yes there are. The worst criminal character we know is the antisocial. He used to call himself a psychopath, a sociopath. The best example of this disorder is the fictional character Hannibal Lecter in The Silence of the Lambs. These are people who have no feelings. They are very cunning, cold as ice, calculating in everything they do.
You can’t love. This is the bad. Everything they do is final. They do it with a purpose, they are incredibly good actors. They play with other people’s feelings like a keyboard. This is what makes these types of criminals so dangerous. They usually go unnoticed for a long time.
“Hope is a wise healing tool”
But there are also antisocial perpetrators who have been arrested.
Lodki: Yes. Criminal Michael Hekoff or Gladbeck kidnappers, these are the types of criminals who killed people in the freezing cold. Some of them eventually think they can do whatever they want. So it happens that they make mistakes. There are also antisocial criminals who take pride in their crimes. This can also lead to their capture.
Have you personally dealt with antisocial perpetrators or their victims?
Lodki: but. He told you Belgian Sex criminal Marc Dutroux is a thing? He kept children and young people in cages like animals, abused them and killed many of them. Some dissolve in barrels of acid. I treated one of the children who survived. It’s amazing that you can go through something like that.
But it works.
Lodki: It works. If those affected are lucky enough to have stable people around them who give them confidence and hope, that is what they can do. Hope is also a very wise healing tool. In the hope that you can heal people, give them a lot of strength. We must have something to look forward to in the future.
Don’t you get tired when you encounter such terrible things on a daily basis?
Lodki: no problem. But I am also very careful. I have been doing my own supervision for 30 years, arguing my cases every six weeks. This has helped me stay healthy and function well. I also make sure to have fun outside of work. I have a wonderful wife, wonderful children, and good friends. As for my patients, I always remind them of their successes and look forward to the future with them.
What does that mean exactly?
Lodki: At some point you have to draw a line under the past. far from the eye far from the heart. Just looking at what you lost turns you into a pillar of salt. If you want to recover, you have to keep walking and not turn around. This is the only way to survive. But the theme of forgiveness and forgiveness also plays an important role in finding peace of mind. I must be willing to give up revenge for what happened to me.
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I guess not everyone does well.
Lodki: Of course, no. Everyone probably knows the reason: if someone does something to my relatives, I kill them. I also tried something like this. With a man who was a police officer who stabbed his wife in the line of duty. He came to me as a patient and told me in detail how he would kill the criminal in the courtroom. I was sworn to secrecy, I wasn’t allowed to talk about it. This was a critical situation.
So I decided to leave the door to the waiting room ajar. One of the patients found out about the policeman’s plans and reported him. They took the gun from him. Later the policeman came up to me and thanked me. He said that he would have ruined his life if he hadn’t stopped his plans for revenge. He had already lost the one he loved the most, his wife. And another murder that she wouldn’t have brought back.
In general, what do you think of your work? The meaning of his work, so to speak.
Lodki: Protection of human life in danger of extinction. To help people accept what they have been through for themselves. I give them the tools and teach them the techniques to deal with what they have been through. I’m back to being a craftsman, a tour guide.
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